Discussion Diamond Krono drama thread

[Dealt21]

I am not a person who likes to be involved in drama or make a long post, but I think it is time to share some of my side of the story.

I have been on and off of this site for 4 years and decided to finally commit some more time to it. I sold my first account back in 2001 when the Stromm server was first released, so I have some experience in this field.

Any way, Diamond approached me initially to form a relationship. We did many deals together and he even helped me with the wording on my thread and gave me some tips. However, after some time things dramatically changed.

All of a sudden, it seemed like no trader on this forum liked me. Some of the things that happened - DK and other top traders sought out my suppliers and told them not to work with me, threads being started about my "stupid picture", multiple PM's about how no one liked me, some crazy hurtful, and hateful PM's from top traders, constant bumping and price cutting, it was like I was being targeted. I was so confused, because even @Sic posted on my thread (or was it PM's?) that he was "sick of defending me."

Defending me from what? After all of this, it has become clear that DK was definitely playing me and even steering me to do things that would hurt my brand; my relationship with some people here.

From the start I was willing to work with others here, but I was LEARNING. I did make some mistakes along the way, and I apologize for any of those that feel that I may have crossed a line. Every single warning on my account only happened ONE TIME, because I only had to be told once if I was doing something wrong.

Most recently, and probably the scariest and most disturbing thing that happened with DK, is he sent me a bunch of Discord messages saying that I was being targeted personally and in real life. He did say @Xuande had my personal info, and I had to talk to Redbot to make sure that I would be safe. He then posted my personal LinkedIn and a message here on ECT that was directed at me that said "I guess I need to kill him" and "burn him."

I am still wondering if this is a safe place for me to trade. I have met many wonderful people here, and after all of this drama has subsided I really do hope this community can move forward and be stronger than ever.

I pray that DK finds Jesus and gets the help that he so desperately needs. I pray his neuropathways in his brain are rewired and he can start a new life.

I propose that we start a Krono fund to help those that were scammed by DK. I am personally willing to part with some of my Krono to help those (with proof) that were scammed. I know that we probably won't be able to make up for all of the losses, but a portion is better than nothing at all.

Thank you for the apology Xuande, I forgive you my friend.

God Bless you all, let's make this community better!

 

[Goodbye_EQ]

Since posting the above posts, I've deleted some of them. DK has reached out to me and paid of a portion of the debt he owes me. I dont what the hell is going on with it, but at he is at least trying to make things right with me.....

As I said. I have never had an issue with him in the past and i do somewhat trust at least one of the people over there.

 

[Sageofeq]

I'm gonna go on a ledge and say that I'd bet my 597 ducats that dk praised @Dealt21 in PM's - prolly said some shit like "its just us 2 against everyone" or "you remind me of myself when i was starting out" and "follow me and you'll go far" --- all the while absolutely roasting him in PM's to other people. now - do people talk shit about other people in pms/dms true or otherwise? of course, and unfortunately, that's probably part and parcel for the game, but i doubt many other people are shitting on someone in one place and telling them how great they are in another. would really love a confirm/deny @Dealt21 (you certainly don't have to chime in if you don't want to - but i suspect you were getting played too)

I can confirm he hated this user in private conversations. At one point he told me he had discovered his RL identity/location or something. I didn't play into it much, because of my medical training and education, and recognized this as a red flag. But most people are just talk on the internet anyway, so I didn't pay it much mind at the time.

DK was not who he claimed or appeared to be. In retrospect, he displays enough of the manipulative traits of narcissism to possibly be diagnosed with it (it's a very rare diagnosis). I'm not surprised he was able to keep a perfect record for this long. Such drug users are called high-functioning. Drug addiction makes people unpredictable. And the internet provides an additional layer for such people to hide these behaviors behind. So tunnel-friends shouldn't be surprised, when taking all of this into account, if they didn't know the real DK or were fooled by him.

And now that I think about it, he did seem to display a bit of grandiosity for a krono reseller. For the record: Nobody will ever become a millionaire reselling krono in Everquest. No fucking clue how a person develops an ego reselling krono. Not like they are a fucking doctor, lawyer, architect, or engineer. Shit has just gotten weirder and weirder since 2020. Stay humble elf-friends. DK was an interesting character, as are most narcissistic drug addicts. Won't be much to talk about anymore now that he's gone.

-Top G

 

[Xuande]

Since posting the above posts, I've deleted some of them. DK has reached out to me and paid of a portion of the debt he owes me. I dont what the hell is going on with it, but at he is at least trying to make things right with me.....

As I said. I have never had an issue with him in the past and i do somewhat trust at least one of the people over there.

Hey man, this is what he does. He's pulling a confidence scam on you so that you'll keep supplying and eventually fall into his trap. He's gotten away with this in the past because he makes right for anybody that speaks up publicly, so that he can continue it.

I mentioned that here:

That's how he would loop people into the ecosystem. It's not the first or even the tenth time that you trade that he'd pull it. He spent a lot of time gardening.

If I have one positive thing to say about him, it's that he's skilled conman. It isn't admirable but it's the one positive thing I've got. I suppose we all have at least one talent.

Whatever you decide, good luck. I don't think (but don't know for a fact) ECT protections will cover future dealings with a banned member.

 

[EcAnon]

All of a sudden, it seemed like no trader on this forum liked me.

I'm pretty sure nobody likes you because you were undercutting everyone and driving the price of krono down to solely benefit yourself. You took the Walmart approach, trying to take all business for yourself at the expense of every other trader. That and agreeing to deals numerous times and then backing out of them. Just saying.

 

[Goodbye_EQ]

Hey man, this is what he does. He's pulling a confidence scam on you so that you'll keep supplying and eventually fall into his trap. He's gotten away with this in the past because he makes right for anybody that speaks up publicly, so that he can continue it.

I mentioned that here:


Whatever you decide, good luck. I don't think (but don't know for a fact) ECT protections will cover future dealings with a banned member.

No intention of continued dealings. I am giving him/them the opportunity to make it right and pay me what is owed.

From what he is saying they are pulling out of EQ after this incident.

I was spilling the tea so to speak about confidential dealings between the two of us because he had blocked me on discord. But since they did reach out to me and offer to reimburse me the KR that is owed with KR I decided I don't want to add fuel to the fire or get involved in the drama.

I am still owed 24 KR at this time, they did send me 6 KR since I started posting.

 

[Goodbye_EQ]

Time will tell the truth I think

 

[EcAnon]

And now that I think about it, he did seem to display a bit of grandiosity for a krono reseller. For the record: Nobody will ever become a millionaire reselling krono in Everquest. No fucking clue how a person develops an ego reselling krono. Not like they are a fucking doctor, lawyer, architect, or engineer. Shit has just gotten weirder and weirder since 2020. Stay humble elf-friends. DK was an interesting character, as are most narcissistic drug addicts. Won't be much to talk about anymore now that he's gone.

-Top G

He told me something quite interesting a few years ago. I play poker professionally and got to talking to him about poker and he mentioned to me that he was part owner of a poker club or two and that he was rigging shuffling machines to be able to make a specific player win. He showed me some computer chip he said he had made and it even had his logo on it. He deleted these comments shortly after making them. Whether this is/was true or not I don't know for sure but I thought it was quite fucked up he basically admitted to cheating people out of money through poker because even if he was just talking out of his ass it's still quite fucked up to openly admit to blatantly scamming people.

 

[Solon]

I’ve been selling Krono to Diamond Krono to flip since 2021.
It was always pretty clear he was taking my Krono and using it to pay off other debts, stringing things along — but honestly, I make so much Krono I didn’t mind helping him out.
He was a decent guy to me and always paid back what he owed.
Hell, I even sent him Christmas gifts of Krono every year to show some appreciation.

It was kinda funny though — I’d sell him a pile of Krono, and a week later he’d message me like "man, it’s so slow, I can’t sell anything," while my friends (who I farm Krono with) were telling me, "Yo, Diamond Krono just hit me up for 10 Krono."
I’d just laugh, because I’ve been down that road myself when I was deep into drugs — and yeah, probably kinda dumb of me to keep helping, but I always want to believe people can change.

Over the years, I’ve had debts with him as high as $2,000, and he’d always eventually pay me back.
So honestly, it’s a shame to see it end like this for him.
I hope he gets the help he needs.
I’ve been down that dark road, and trust me — things can get better, brother.

I’m sure he’s reading this since this whole thread has blown up.
In the end, yeah, he owes me over 100 Krono right now, and maybe one day he’ll pay me back.
If not, I’ll just write it off, the same way people I screwed over back in my own drug days had to do with me.

You know, this Krono game really does remind me of the drug game sometimes — but that’s a conversation for another day.
Either way, Diamond — I hope you figure your shit out.
Thanks for slowly selling some of my Krono over the years when I was too lazy to move it myself.
I was happy to help you out, buddy.

Not looking to debate or argue, just wanted to share my experience. Wishing the best for everyone affected.

 

[bractos45]

@Sic , @Sageofeq

To respond to both of ya'lls post here;

I definitely got played by him as far as judgment of character. I'd occasionally get sent a random meme or something from him after "solving a dispute" or whatever. He'd message me over what he thought was a risky user and I'd usually investigate into it, (few times we did this it lead to past-known-scammers being re-banned) so, it was exactly where he needed me to be. I'd also get the shower of praise from him for being "a great guy" or telling me I should be a mod here. Essentially, love-bombing. I think the big reason I wasn't pulled into this circle is because apart from that one major SWTOR deal with my friend, I usually only buy 6 - 10 Krono at a time, and that's maybe once a year. So was easy for him to be the honest salesman to show what a great guy he is. (He'd have my Krono delivered before I could even open PayPal sometimes) However, these were always low-risk deals so why not? And, I keep my in-game vs ECT relationships anonymous, minus one user I know, so I considered him to be reputable, but not a "buddy of mine" or anything which I think has been talked about before.

I find this interesting because I'm working towards a career in psychology (probably even told him this at one point or another) and this definitely begins to reach near the narcissism realm. However part of the reason it's almost impossible to diagnose someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is because of a lot of factors. Mainly, lots of the NPD traits also overlap (comorbidities) with several other disorders; anxiety, depression, drugs, etc... So we can discuss narcissistic traits (I mentioned the grandiosity earlier, and Sage you're right, that amount, for a Krono reseller is excessive) but it'd be hard to narrow it down to NPD. However he definitely has some issues he needs to get worked out.

I've dealt with a narc' in a personal setting (part of what got me into psychology, she was really, really bad) but the only professional advice I've received on dealing with them is unless they're begging for your help, don't. But again, that's extremely rare. Because of that personal past, I usually keep a sensitive eye on stuff like that, but, I was also never in a position to be used so that flag was never raised; until now.

Anyways, that's kinda my personal take on the dramatic side of things since this is becoming larger by the day. Figured it's easier to throw it out there in case it's a snippet of help to anyone.

I've always felt pretty involved with ECT, but damn, sometimes it's sucks to get a peek behind the curtains. Again, sorry to everyone affected, and hoping this helps enable ECT to go back to a chill community.

Also, hope this post makes some sort of sense, the wife (she's awesome) and I were on PTO this week, so, I've had a few beers today. Cheers!!

 

[Sageofeq]

I'm pretty sure nobody likes you because you were undercutting everyone and driving the price of krono down to solely benefit yourself. You took the Walmart approach, trying to take all business for yourself at the expense of every other trader. That and agreeing to deals numerous times and then backing out of them. Just saying.

Aggressive reselling so he doesn't have to work at Walmart maybe. But yea Dealt walking in here talking about Jesus, like he isn't only out for himself, with his RL pic, or the baby on the backpack thing. Like you are a family man in business, when you're just a newbie flipping some krono so you don't have to go work at Walmart. I'm not buying it. You weren't passing the smell test, and I still don't like you. And there's not enough krono liquidity for someone to go Full Amazon on ECT. But you know what my boy TI say, just live your life. You can pretend you're a boss after all. We deal in fantasies here.

gross

 

[Sageofeq]

And now that I think about it, he did seem to display a bit of grandiosity for a krono reseller. For the record: Nobody will ever become a millionaire reselling krono in Everquest. No fucking clue how a person develops an ego reselling krono. Not like they are a fucking doctor, lawyer, architect, or engineer. Shit has just gotten weirder and weirder since 2020. Stay humble elf-friends. DK was an interesting character, as are most narcissistic drug addicts. Won't be much to talk about anymore now that he's gone.

-Top G

I refer you back to this. At least Diamond didn't try to squeeze out farmers with his constant undercutting of the market so he didn't have to be a King flipping my burger at Burger King.

EQ is a small community. ECT is even smaller. I waited YEARS before I even made public postings on ECT. I don't rely on this. I don't need it. So I feel free to speak my mind regarding you.

 

[Pory]

Its crazy to me, that most of the people that come forward with extremely negative opinions about Dealt are literally just his competitors. All of you top sellers LEAN on your image to sell, you all list #1 - 10 in your listings, you list your massive feedback scores. And yet you expect a new seller to just come in and match your prices? You know exactly how that would go lol.

It seems you guys have created "rules" you want someone to follow, but in doing so left yourselves with a massive advantage still.

I mean why would anyone pay $11 for 1kr when you can get the same for $10? Obviously because of feedback, reputation etc. Which is all valid. But that means that someone coming into the game, with the intent to mass sell, has to offer krono cheaper. And yet according to some people thats bad faith?

Everyone on this site who seriously sells aggressively bumps.
And we literally are now learning that even the TOP SELLER can scam people, so getting mad at someone for backing off of a deal when it was never discussed who would go first is genuinely silly (this was even the case even before the diamond shit happened).

 

[Sageofeq]

It seems you guys have created "rules" you want someone to follow, but in doing so left yourselves with a massive advantage still.

There's been an unspoken respect and etiquette around here since God spoke to Moses.

As for advantages, remember that farmers don't work on margins. We will always have the advantage no matter what resellers do, because it's pure profit. If every farmer on here got together and undercut the market to squeeze the resellers off of ECT, I bet that wouldn't be fun or pretty.

 

[Sageofeq]

 

[Xuande]

I can't get this off of my mind. Legitimately still in a state of "what the fuck" that I fell into this conversation on ECTunnel.com.


Have some perspective:

 

[Goodbye_EQ]

Its crazy to me, that most of the people that come forward with extremely negative opinions about Dealt are literally just his competitors. All of you top sellers LEAN on your image to sell, you all list #1 - 10 in your listings, you list your massive feedback scores. And yet you expect a new seller to just come in and match your prices? You know exactly how that would go lol.

It seems you guys have created "rules" you want someone to follow, but in doing so left yourselves with a massive advantage still.

I mean why would anyone pay $11 for 1kr when you can get the same for $10? Obviously because of feedback, reputation etc. Which is all valid. But that means that someone coming into the game, with the intent to mass sell, has to offer krono cheaper. And yet according to some people thats bad faith?

Everyone on this site who seriously sells aggressively bumps.
And we literally are now learning that even the TOP SELLER can scam people, so getting mad at someone for backing off of a deal when it was never discussed who would go first is genuinely silly (this was even the case even before the diamond shit happened).

I fully agree, I sold bulk to DK because he bought slighty lower than what I would have to list as for me to get them to sell if I was doing it manually. As someone with no rep I had to always go $1 below everyone else just to get bites. Even then I had to make up crazy lines like getting my wife a boob job or wifes faction improvement sale. That shit is just to get some interaction with my posts, even when selling for $1 less than you big fish.

 

[Sageofeq]

The combination of THJ success, Fangbreaker weakness, and the former #1 reseller no longer buying up the excess bulk will certainly create excess supply moving forward for the upcoming resellers here.

DK was a good reseller that ended like a Greek tragedy - say Oedipus when he found out he boinked his mom. Aint no coming back from a Greek tragedy. And that's how I'll end my drama posting here. RIP DK.

 

[klesko]

Rules to be successful on ECTunnel
1. Don't use ECTunnel as your job, it will end badly. Use it as extra money you don't rely on but nice to have.
2. Don't flip krono
3. Farm your own krono

The Flipper

To make $1,000 as a flipper you need buy and sell 500 krono which requires a $4,500 investment​

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The profit margin is in the 10-20% range if everything goes perfect. Get hit with one ban, or one chargeback that profit margin tanks quickly and can even go negative.​

The Farmer

To make $1,000 as a farmer you simply need to sell 91 krono which requires $0 investment​

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The profit margin is basically infinite​

Why it Matters

Because of this at any point any large farmer can destroy all flippers bankroll very easily because the farmer makes profit at any krono price.​

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The high number of flippers on ECTunnel is a more recent thing. The primary reason for this is because DPG stopped going after large krono holders. Before about 2021 holding any more than 20 krono on a single character was risky. It was very common to have any character holding krono to randomly get banned. A single one of these random bans would put a flipper out of business and it is why there used to not be a lot of long term flippers that we see today. Because of this people who flip dont fully understand the risk it carries.

 

[Sageofeq]

Why it Matters

Because of this at any point any large farmer can destroy all flippers bankroll very easily because the farmer makes profit at any krono price.​

The post 2020 workforce environment is rapidly changing due to homelessness, lower or stagnant inflation-adjusted incomes, increased government subsidies, a desire to work from home, a desire not to return to the corporate workforce, AI and cybernetic replacements, economic co-dependencies, an increase in fraud and corruption, and a return of nearly Great Depression level attitudes, where making 1/2 what you made 5-10 years ago is acceptable. Did I cover it all in that list? Not even close! And that's the point. On top of Darkpaw's policies regarding krono resellers in-game and large krono holders, the rise in flippers and new farmers is also attributable to a plethora of economic factors. People are just scrambling for extra cash in this decade. People want to work from home. People don't want to return to the workforce. People are willing to work for a lot less in the post pandemic USA, and are increasingly competing against overseas operations as well. In the last 5 years the billionaire class - the new aristocracy - expanded arguably faster than at any previous time in history. Shares in the "essential" corporations like Amazon and the Walmart-types nearly doubled, while the nonessentials suffered and the lower class also expanded.

I agree with everything Klesko said, but it's not going to matter, and where economics and money are concerned, things are seldom simple. There are many new farmers and resellers in the last 5 years. Most are working harder, not smarter, and are willing to work for less than their predecessors. Some are more successful than others. Some are doing it supplementarily. Some are trying to make careers out of it. Some are just complicated hot messes /wink

I'll let those of you at ECT reading this in on a not-so-dirty little secret.

A lot of the scamming and self-implosions we see going on here at ECT are consistently due to disputes among the newer farmers, amateur farmers, supplementary farmers, and the resellers they supply. Disputes the top tier farmers never even engage in, which is one reason many of us have kept flawless feedback for many years. Xuande remains an obvious exception among the top 10 traders, and a trader I still recommend to others consistently, but most of us are farmers, and the resellers are forever downstream of us.

The reason you will never experience anything like what happened recently with a top tier farmer is simple: we aren't engaged in reseller's practices or selling to resellers. Again let me first point out at that there are a few excellent resellers. But let's point out the obvious facts about a top tier farmer:
1. I'm only selling product I have immediately available.
2. I only sell to those who pay up front.
3. I deliver within minutes of receiving payment - every - single - time.
4. I have personality and dope memes!
4. Rinse. Repeat thousands of times. And A Sage is Born. And there's a few farmers here even more full time at it than me. I am and intend to always remain part-time.

Despite the recent tragedy of Darth Diamond the Wise, a flawless feedback score still means something, and all krono originate upstream from farmers. How you choose your farmer or reseller is up to you! WHAT A WORLD WHAT A WORLD WHAT A WORLD!

 

[EcAnon]

Rules to be successful on ECTunnel
1. Don't use ECTunnel as your job, it will end badly. Use it as extra money you don't rely on but nice to have.
2. Don't flip krono
3. Farm your own krono

The Flipper

To make $1,000 as a flipper you need buy and sell 500 krono which requires a $4,500 investment​

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The profit margin is in the 10-20% range if everything goes perfect. Get hit with one ban, or one chargeback that profit margin tanks quickly and can even go negative.​

Idk maybe I'm just lucky but I've pretty much never farmed my own krono's and I've been reselling since like 2017 and always kept anywhere from 10-200 krono on my account and never got banned or anything. Farming krono can take quite a lot of time whereas flipping krono takes almost zero time whatsoever. A few minutes to set up a purchase. Log in, copy paste a char name and log off. I've also only ever lost a single charge back for 30$ several years ago when I first started. I think I've only had like 4 other ones total and paypal sided with me every single time.

 

[AllOfUsAreDead]

All of this was very predictable with the way Xuande and Diamond Krono, along with another 2 or 3 "top sellers" have been acting on the site for years. Dog walking the moderators into passing rules that benefit them through targeted campaigns of harassment, upvoting / downvoting each other's suggestions for years, and conspiring in private while blatantly breaking the rules like bump limits with fake accounts posting in their threads, etc. I cannot even count how many friends have told me about Xuande's mass PM'ing to anyone who even browses the seller forum. I called a lot of this behavior out previously in this thread: https://ectunnel.com/community/thre...ion-for-foreign-nationals.104093/#post-442211 a year ago when Xuande tried to concern troll his way into getting all his comptition banned and seemingly nothing has changed.

Now we have proof that Xuande, who is desperately trying to divert attention away from his participation in this, trying to keep Diamond Krono the focus. But what have we learned from just the last few days? A handful of the top sellers resort to scheming to destroy other sellers and actively discussing killing them with each other. They all knew this, along with scamming was going on, and nothing was done about it. Both Diamond Krono and Xuande have the same exact playbook: post in every thread imaginable as an authority figure to get people to think they are one, use a small gaggle of hens including EcAnon to affirm their dumb bullshit, and profit. When finally called out and not being able to hide it anymore he resorts to... "I had surgery I wasn't in my right mind, so not my fault really". Comical.

You're both cancers to this site and I doubt anything will actually be done about it but it needs to at least be stated plainly for once. There are plenty of people who recognize what you're doing and have stopped using the site because of it.

I'm pretty sure nobody likes you because you were undercutting everyone and driving the price of krono down to solely benefit yourself. You took the Walmart approach, trying to take all business for yourself at the expense of every other trader. That and agreeing to deals numerous times and then backing out of them. Just saying.

How a post lacking this much self awareness was posted is baffling. Even if he did undercut everyone and drove the price of krono down, it didn't "only benefit him". It benefited CUSTOMERS. Your bizzaro world where "it's not me, so it must be no one" is a chef's kiss to this situation.

 

[VestalBears]

All of this was very predictable with the way Xuande and Diamond Krono, along with another 2 or 3 "top sellers" have been acting on the site for years. Dog walking the moderators into passing rules that benefit them through targeted campaigns of harassment, upvoting / downvoting each other's suggestions for years, and conspiring in private while blatantly breaking the rules like bump limits with fake accounts posting in their threads, etc. I cannot even count how many friends have told me about Xuande's mass PM'ing to anyone who even browses the seller forum. I called a lot of this behavior out previously in this thread: https://ectunnel.com/community/thre...ion-for-foreign-nationals.104093/#post-442211 a year ago when Xuande tried to concern troll his way into getting all his comptition banned and seemingly nothing has changed.

Now we have proof that Xuande, who is desperately trying to divert attention away from his participation in this, trying to keep Diamond Krono the focus. But what have we learned from just the last few days? A handful of the top sellers resort to scheming to destroy other sellers and actively discussing killing them with each other. They all knew this, along with scamming was going on, and nothing was done about it. Both Diamond Krono and Xuande have the same exact playbook: post in every thread imaginable as an authority figure to get people to think they are one, use a small gaggle of hens including EcAnon to affirm their dumb bullshit, and profit. When finally called out and not being able to hide it anymore he resorts to... "I had surgery I wasn't in my right mind, so not my fault really". Comical.

You're both cancers to this site and I doubt anything will actually be done about it but it needs to at least be stated plainly for once. There are plenty of people who recognize what you're doing and have stopped using the site because of it.

How a post lacking this much self awareness was posted is baffling. Even if he did undercut everyone and drove the price of krono down, it didn't "only benefit him". It benefited CUSTOMERS. Your bizzaro world where "it's not me, so it must be no one" is a chef's kiss to this situation.

Yea, I never understood the 'hate' for wanting to sell low. I mean, If i wanted to sell krono for $8 right now I could. Comical people want top dollar and get mad when others undercut.

 

[blanco]

All of this was very predictable with the way Xuande and Diamond Krono, along with another 2 or 3 "top sellers" have been acting on the site for years. Dog walking the moderators into passing rules that benefit them through targeted campaigns of harassment, upvoting / downvoting each other's suggestions for years, and conspiring in private while blatantly breaking the rules like bump limits with fake accounts posting in their threads, etc. I cannot even count how many friends have told me about Xuande's mass PM'ing to anyone who even browses the seller forum. I called a lot of this behavior out previously in this thread: https://ectunnel.com/community/thre...ion-for-foreign-nationals.104093/#post-442211 a year ago when Xuande tried to concern troll his way into getting all his comptition banned and seemingly nothing has changed.

Now we have proof that Xuande, who is desperately trying to divert attention away from his participation in this, trying to keep Diamond Krono the focus. But what have we learned from just the last few days? A handful of the top sellers resort to scheming to destroy other sellers and actively discussing killing them with each other. They all knew this, along with scamming was going on, and nothing was done about it. Both Diamond Krono and Xuande have the same exact playbook: post in every thread imaginable as an authority figure to get people to think they are one, use a small gaggle of hens including EcAnon to affirm their dumb bullshit, and profit. When finally called out and not being able to hide it anymore he resorts to... "I had surgery I wasn't in my right mind, so not my fault really". Comical.

You're both cancers to this site and I doubt anything will actually be done about it but it needs to at least be stated plainly for once. There are plenty of people who recognize what you're doing and have stopped using the site because of it.

How a post lacking this much self awareness was posted is baffling. Even if he did undercut everyone and drove the price of krono down, it didn't "only benefit him". It benefited CUSTOMERS. Your bizzaro world where "it's not me, so it must be no one" is a chef's kiss to this situation.

What a joke.

It’s impossible to take this seriously when the entire post is oozing with personal bias and years of bottled-up resentment. You call out “scheming” and “harassment” while literally doing both in the same breath. The whole thing reads like a personal vendetta, not some noble call for accountability.

 

[Sageofeq]

Without downplaying the real grievances and losses of those involved with DK, I knew this thread was going to have the juice.

 

[EcAnon]

post in every thread imaginable as an authority figure to get people to think they are one, use a small gaggle of hens including EcAnon to affirm their dumb bullshit, and profit.

Lol when the fuck have I affirmed anything? What is your stupid ass even talking about?

 

[Xuande]

Xuande remains an obvious exception among the top 10 traders, and a trader I still recommend to others consistently, but most of us are farmers, and the resellers are forever downstream of us.

One minor clarification- I'm a farmer that enjoys helping other users out. If you've never ordered a krono from Clockwork or I to experience our buying setup, then you're missing out. When we were only farming we'd hit dry spells and wanted to keep consistent stock to keep the service level up.
Best of both worlds!

This post has a lot to address, but sure, let me take time out of my day and away from my family to address some random person who seems to have an axe to grind's post:

Dog walking the moderators into passing rules that benefit them

Here are my suggestions from the forum. Please let me know which of these benefits me in a way that doesn't benefit everybody else:
Feedback - discussing the feedback system, where I wanted clarification because somebody would make posts like this and try to strongarm people into dealing with them.
Additional Account Flags - stronger visual indicators for all users.
Miscellaneous Games Section - Include more games than just EverQuest??
Country Flags - This way users know if they're going to have to pay international fees or have recourse if things go south.
Geofencing ECT - This one is complicated. I had just been scammed out of thousands of dollars by a user on the site and had no recourse. So... make ECT restricted-use, make vendors not use a VPN (because a lot do!), keep deals on ECT, etc.
Have a nice day! - Note that this one does not apply to you.
Re; "Safe" - Things that are stated on a title or in a post should be factual. It's not "safe" to transact here.

If you want to discuss how any of these benefit me, specifically, then I'm all ears.

targeted campaigns of harassment, upvoting / downvoting each other's suggestions for years,

Don't know who I've targeted campaigns of harassment against. I think you'll find that the active users of this site tend to agree and support each other. You want to talk about targeted campaigns? Dealt sent out an emergency alert to his friends and buyers to come and weigh this thread in his favor within a couple of hours of it going up. These threads aren't supposed to be a popularity contest or handled like this. Even if I agreed with the final outcome (as stated in that thread?) I still think it's funny that you're making an accusation. Do you have some examples where this didn't happen organically?

and conspiring in private while blatantly breaking the rules like bump limits with fake accounts posting in their threads, etc.

You'd find, after asking the moderators, that I was the one who would report people fake-reply bumping to move their post to the top of the forum. It's why our position doesn't reset when somebody replies and only the bump button that costs Ducat does after the 3 daily free ones. My thread has been locked for YEARS at this point so I never engaged in this shitty behavior. I even advocated getting rid of the $80/mo bump item that only five people could buy when it reset monthly in favor of a more fair system where we could all use ducat... Moving on...

I cannot even count how many friends have told me about Xuande's mass PM'ing to anyone who even browses the seller forum.

This is old hat. If DK's suggestion about cold-calling hadn't been deleted you could read at length where I admitted that I had engaged in this in the past but all it did was piss people off. However, recently another user engaged in cold calling customers that had received feedback from me. People change!

a year ago when Xuande tried to concern troll his way into getting all his comptition banned and seemingly nothing has changed.

Your comment about concern trolling is addressed in the suggestion section above. I am not Diamond Krono, I've never engaged in pretending to be a moderator, and I'm active on this site and friendly. You can stop lumping me into a category with him, as we'll see as this goes on.

Now we have proof that Xuande, who is desperately trying to divert attention away from his participation in this, trying to keep Diamond Krono the focus.

Not desperate, not at all.

A handful of the top sellers resort to scheming to destroy other sellers and actively discussing killing them with each other.

The one post in that 20 page conversation thread that he shared was out of context with regards to the whole conversation. The Golden Company was a part of that thread and can attest that there was no legitimate violent intent and that immediately after it went back to laughing and less "online keyboard warrior" bullshit. Ohhh we're going to bump on him so hard. We're going to block him from that top spot. Does it look bad out of context? Fuck yeah it does. Points to DK for knowing to save that to his little burn book to pull out in the future. It's no surprise that he was building a way to take other people down.

They all knew this, along with scamming was going on, and nothing was done about it.

Hi, I hope that you read my interactions with the Fitzgeralds in this thread. I had been reporting DK's/Richgirl/RickyJT's ongoing scam to the admins FOR YEARS. But everybody was afraid of DK, afraid of going up against the #1, afraid that if they left negative feedback or started a dispute that they wouldn't get paid back. When people tell me that they're getting scammed, I pass that on to the admins, but the scammed party won't speak up for themselves? Nothing can be done, it's just hearsay. I urged Spiffaroni to make a public post and he asked me SEVERAL TIMES if it was the right thing to do if he wanted to get paid. Fuck, if anything, @Redbot and @Teichou likely considered banning me just so they'd have to stop hearing about how DK was taking people for thousands of dollars on their website. But... where are we now? Oh, on a thread where that has been validated.

Brief segue: It sure feels like you have a specific axe to grind and are obsessing about this. Maybe take a moment on Monday to make an appointment with a social worker or therapist to work through these feelings. I can't help it that you seem downright fucking obsessed with me. <3
Okay, getting back to thing...

Both Diamond Krono and Xuande have the same exact playbook: post in every thread imaginable as an authority figure to get people to think they are one, use a small gaggle of hens including EcAnon to affirm their dumb bullshit, and profit.

This is so wrong that I don't even have words to argue against it. I'm not an authority figure, just an active member of this community that likes helping people? Oh, fuck me I guess.

When finally called out and not being able to hide it anymore he resorts to... "I had surgery I wasn't in my right mind, so not my fault really". Comical.

This is the procedure that I had and DK knew that I was in the hospital on intense amounts of morphine when his one out of context picture was taken. I shouldn't have even been on ECTunnel but the dude kept blowing up my phone. Did I get played, here? Yep!

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You're both cancers to this site and I doubt anything will actually be done about it but it needs to at least be stated plainly for once. There are plenty of people who recognize what you're doing and have stopped using the site because of it.

Okay. That's your opinion but there are also a lot of people that use the site and recommend people in game to utilize my services. I've never scammed people? If something happens where I'm late delivering krono I've been known to send additional krono to make up for it? I go out of my way to run a clean shop and anybody who hasn't just had a RAGING HATE BONER for me, for some reason, can attest to that. Hell, even the other traders can confirm that I go out of my way to be friendly and helpful. I am not DK, fucking lol.

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That last little bit is about ECAnon.

So, again- yeah, that ONE COMMENT looks bad. But you know what else looks bad? The antisemitism, the 20+ messages that TGC and I would receive in the middle of the night, the messages from DK calling other users scrubs (and worse),
DK has full doxxes on the other vendors on this site. He blocked me on Discord and I'd closed the conversation so I can't pull it back up but he was talking about driving to Dealt's house to "talk to him face to face" and only one person would walk away.
Dealt wasn't the only one. He was making moves against all of us. None of us were safe? None of us were safe.

None of us were safe. Hopefully we are now.

Now, kindly go fuck yourself back into whatever hole you climbed out of. Your impression of me is erroneous but I appreciate that you think about me this often. Please continue to think about me. Like Morgana le Fay, I will disappear if people stop thinking about me. My continued existence depends on you!

With all the love you deserve,
Xuande

 

[Sageofeq]

One minor clarification- I'm a farmer that enjoys helping other users out.

Apologies bro. I confess I'm still getting to know Xuande. Farmer & reseller, and you can take that to the bank baby. I was already recommending you to people regardless <3

 

[Xuande]

I know that I spent a lot of time responding to that and that he won't read it, but that's okay. It's sort of like how debating people online isn't to convince the opponent but, rather, other users who happen along.

You know what I didn't do when I was gearing up for my surgery? Engage in this weird fucking loan scheme that sounds to good to be true. Lots of users over on the scam report post fell victim to this plot by DK where he'd string along repayment after receiving the Krono/money.

So am I acting in self interest by reporting this stuff? Or am I trying to sound the klaxon that shady shit was happening on the site and that this is the first time users were willing to come forward?
That one week suspension pulled the rug on his Ponzi scheme and made it untenable for it to continue. So, sure, he has that one out of context post-- hilariously out of context post-- that the admins would have CRUCIFIED ME FOR if it had real intent.

Hope none of you gamble with Richgirl in game. <3

 

[AllOfUsAreDead]

What a joke.

It’s impossible to take this seriously when the entire post is oozing with personal bias and years of bottled-up resentment. You call out “scheming” and “harassment” while literally doing both in the same breath. The whole thing reads like a personal vendetta, not some noble call for accountability.

Of course it's personal you goof, people ignored their shit for years until these two idiots felt safe enough in their private scheming to actually suggest banning an entire continent of their competitors from being able to use the site under the concern troll of "protecting" the community, when remind me, where are the patron saints of scammers Fitzgerald brothers, CoinStop, Diamond Krono from again? Is Xuande going to post now how we need to ban North America from using the site? Of course not because that would affect him and his little hen group.

The level of delusion it took to post that thread I linked and not think someone would recognize it for the blatant scheme it was is laughable.

Then he finally gets busted in 4K scheming to destroy Dealt, and instead of actually apologizing (as Dealt thought it was) he handwaves his behavior away and dumps it all on Diamond Krono, who can't respond, "manipulating" him and a "surgery and drugs putting him in the wrong mind". There's zero accountability there.

 

[Sic]

Lol when the fuck have I affirmed anything? What is your stupid ass even talking about?

if you could stop with the childish name calling. i gave you a "stop being a jerk" warning the other day. you're getting another one now. just knock it off. you can express your feelings without the personal attacks

 

[Xuande]

This hateful and piss-poor diversion attempt to sully Xuande is brought to you by NordVPN and a foreigner that was upset with one of my previous posts.

and instead of actually apologizing (as Dealt thought it was) he handwaves his behavior away

Dealt and I actually talked about it. In this thread, on Dealt's post, he forgave me. As far as the rest of your statement, learn to read, you doofus. Who is concern trolling now? I'll give you time to think about it.

actually suggest banning an entire continent of their competitors from being able to use the site under the concern troll of "protecting" the community, when remind me, where are the patron saints of scammers Fitzgerald brothers, CoinStop, Diamond Krono from again? Is Xuande going to post now how we need to ban North America from using the site? Of course not because that would affect him and his little hen group.

Americans that scam other Americans have recourse and can contact local police departments, state cybercrime units, and others. When a foreign national scams it doesn't matter if they're verified or not. We have no ability to fix it.
The Fitzgeralds tried to scam me a couple of years ago and, trust me, I was working with the Warwick, RI police department and the Rhode Island state government cybercrimes unit.

 

[EcAnon]

if you could stop with the childish name calling. i gave you a "stop being a jerk" warning the other day. you're getting another one now. just knock it off. you can express your feelings without the personal attacks

He literally personally attacked me for no reason and what he said isn't even true.

 

[Sic]

He literally personally attacked me for no reason and what he said isn't even true.

I know you feel justified in the childish name calling - I'm asking you to stop it dude.

Plenty of "facts" around here to roast people with.

I'm not asking you to stop expressing shit that is important to do, in fact, I want to you keep doing it. ECTunnel is a community that by and large is "self policed" - you as a group of sellers/buys can sniff out bullshit pretty quickly and more-or-less keep each other honest by asserting boundaries and trying to ensure they're being enforced.

lots of big angry, big sad, big emotions - and they're all valid and justified --- shit sucks, some people are duplicitous, some people are "just playing the game", people can also simultaneously be a victim of something that sucks, and also someone who does/participates in shitty stuff too.

call out the shitty stuff - especially if there is a framework that encourages it - and ask for / push for what changes you think will make this place a better place to both buy and sell.

Personally (for whatever that is worth), i've seen a lot of stuff to make things better for sellers - at least some of the "upper" sellers --- but i've personally come to the conclusion that some of those things have been and what seems to be the expense of the rando-buyer --- the dude who comes here once a month or once a tlp launch and no one knows their name.

things don't always have to be mutually exclusive.

 

[blanco]

Of course it's personal you goof, people ignored their shit for years until these two idiots felt safe enough in their private scheming to actually suggest banning an entire continent of their competitors from being able to use the site under the concern troll of "protecting" the community, when remind me, where are the patron saints of scammers Fitzgerald brothers, CoinStop, Diamond Krono from again? Is Xuande going to post now how we need to ban North America from using the site? Of course not because that would affect him and his little hen group.

Jealousy looks really ugly on you.

First, you seem unable to grasp why verification for Chinese nationals is useless. That was the entire point of Xuande’s post that you keep referencing. It wasn’t to “ban an entire continent of competitors” so he could do more business or whatever other conspiracy you can cook up with the little acorn you’re working with.

You’re also under the impression that the top sellers have some sort of cabal going and it’s just silly. Reputable individuals here tend to stick by other reputable users because it’s a community built on trust.

By the way, it’s only “personal” because your little insult filled post made it “personal” — ya goof.

 

[Xuande]

Geofencing ECTunnel, Establishing Vendor Home IP, External linking, Verification for foreign nationals, ​

Also, for anybody reading: How much money have you lost on ECTunnel?

I believe that I've dealt with more scams than any other user and am out hundreds of Krono as a result. Mostly because of MarryMe since his group pulled off such a good scam.... and then probably resold them under one of their other accounts using a new proxy. Very appreciated.

Who else could even speak to this situation? I was the victim of a crime. For reference, here's you arguing against the community knowing who it's safe to make deals with out of.... oh! Your own self interest:

It's very disappointing you think this. Forcing a verified user like me from a non-US country to publicly broadcast my location will only be a negative for us. Any time I, or a non-US user wants to sell something, we will instantly be announcing ourselves as a target for scammers as they will know "I can target this person, there's nothing they can do". I personally don't want a billboard next to my name telling the Fitzgeralds I'm their next victim.

This is ignoring the fact that none of the people who signed up for and paid for verified ever agreed to allow you share our private information like that unless we did something wrong.

It is frankly baffling how much in the last few years the same handful of power sellers dictate and change the site's rules to benefit them, often under the 'this helps us all' guise. I shouldn't need to tell you that they do not have the average user's welfare in mind when they are proposing their changes.

Kind of like how broadcasting that I'm from the US gives foreigners the opportunity to scam me? The argument continues on that thread but reading it back it seems that you are self interested and don't want users of the community to be enabled to make informed decisions about who they're working with.

Also think it's pretty funny that two of your four feedback are from EcAnon and that your last feedback is from almost three years ago. You don't really seem to use the site enough to have as much perspective. How has the country flag affected you with your 0 sales, 0 buys, 0 deals?
Yet you pop up when there's a topic that you seem to have a self-interested reason for engaging in. Both times to continue shoving blood into your confusing engorged hate boner for me.

That's all very curious. I love knowing that I live rent free in a total stranger's head. That kinda made my day- people think about me!

 

[Sageofeq]

your last feedback is from almost three years ago.

bam

 

[AllOfUsAreDead]

I'm not quoting each line of your diatribe because it isn't needed. I do not care about your little surgery or how it hurt your feelings. It did not make you try to ruin other sellers. You did that through your own choices because you were butthurt he wouldn't respect your little harems wish to keep krono prices artificially high. Your boy EcAnon already let the cat out of the bag with that. And now you've been caught. Deal with it.

I also do not care or understand how you think claiming you were secretly stabbing Diamond Krono in the back the whole time so you weren't really in cahoots with him helps you disprove being a duplicitous snake. If anything it makes you more of one.

Personally (for whatever that is worth), i've seen a lot of stuff to make things better for sellers - at least some of the "upper" sellers --- but i've personally come to the conclusion that some of those things have been and what seems to be the expense of the rando-buyer --- the dude who comes here once a month or once a tlp launch and no one knows their name.

Between Sic saying this and admins completely ignoring your dumb fucking idea of geoblocking I'm comfortable enough that your shit has been seen through and I don't need to keep replying. That's all I really needed to see.

Final P.S.: really disproving the 'we're not working together' claims when you and Blanco signed on at the exact same time to this thread (admins should be able to verify this) and began posting your replies together while also responding to each other's within seconds of posting.




P.S.S. Since you seem to be unable to grasp grammar or vocabulary clues, and I give mods permission to confirm this: I live in NYC primarily. I'm just not an impoverished Everquest reseller who tied my entire life prospects to dollar margins and I can afford to travel and live in multiple countries.

 

[Xuande]

"I don't want to address anything you said in response to my own diatribe so.... here's some more of my own!"

Oh no, there are multiple users viewing this thread and responding at the same time! Surely it's a conspiracy and not just that this is active.

Okay, you take care. I hope that you get your feelings worked out while you're jetsetting around the world but still seem to have enough skin in this game to continue trying to redirect this thread about DK onto me when it's all been covered.
Maybe use some of that money to discuss your obsession with a professional. It's kind of curious that you don't want to talk about the THREAD TOPIC but want to keep trying to move the light while not trying to counter anything that I said.

Any other random fucking claims you want to make, honeybee? You wanna meet behind the Moderation Log and make out a little bit?

 

[blanco]

I'm not quoting each line of your diatribe because it isn't needed. I do not care about your little surgery or how it hurt your feelings. It did not make you try to ruin other sellers. You did that through your own choices because you were butthurt he wouldn't respect your little harems wish to keep krono prices artificially high. Your boy EcAnon already let the cat out of the bag with that. And now you've been caught. Deal with it.

I also do not care or understand how you think claiming you were secretly stabbing Diamond Krono in the back the whole time so you weren't really in cahoots with him helps you disprove being a duplicitous snake. If anything it makes you more of one.



Between Sic saying this and admins completely ignoring your dumb fucking idea of geoblocking I'm comfortable enough that your shit has been seen through and I don't need to keep replying. That's all I really needed to see.

Final P.S.: really disproving the 'we're not working together' claims when you and Blanco signed on at the exact same time to this thread (admins should be able to verify this) and began posting your replies together while also responding to each other's within seconds of posting.

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P.S.S. Since you seem to be unable to grasp grammar or vocabulary clues, and I give mods permission to confirm this: I live in NYC primarily. I'm just not an impoverished Everquest reseller who tied my entire life prospects to dollar margins and I can afford to travel and live in multiple countries.

Keep going, this is definitely having the effect you want it to. If I had a Krono for every multi-millionaire, jet-setting globetrotter I've met on EverQuest, I might be as rich as you.