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Dispute Should this feedback EcAnon left for Dealt21 be removed?

Should this feedback EcAnon left for Dealt21 be removed?

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⚖️ This is an official feedback dispute, sponsored by the Ducat shop. After 7 days the votes will be tallied and the most popular judgement upheld. Official feedback rules are found here. 🧑‍⚖️

@Dealt21 is disputing feedback left by @EcAnon
Here is a link to the feedback. Note that this link may not work for non-moderators due to the user's privacy settings.

It reads:

We agreed to a deal then he backed out, insisting I go first even though he's the one that approached me plus I have significantly higher feedback than him​

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If you are a moderator or staff please do not vote or comment.
 
Here is some proof on the conversation. I didn't want to send krono first, then he started to be incredibly rude, so I ignored him and didn't move forward with the deal. Why would I send 40 krono first to someone who is insulting me and then gives me negative feedback? We didn't even do a deal. This makes no sense.

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Bro you approached me, I didn't approach you. You asked me to buy your krono's and pay more than my post even asked and I agreed to it. You then agreed to sell me 40 krono's. Then when I asked you to go first you suddenly backed out because for some reason I'm supposed to trust you with 260 feedbacks and a 4 year old account but you can't trust me with 483 feedbacks and an 8 year old account. Make it make sense. Don't agree to deals with people then back out for idiotic reasons.
 
Feedback can be left if a deal is attempted, it doesn't have to be completed. Will you post the full conversation and not just what happened after?

For reference, I make anybody that has lower feedback than me go first. That's regardless of whether I'm sending money, platinum, or Krono. My feedback is well earned, whereas I don't know most of these people from Adam.
You'll find that the lower feedback member going first is pretty typical among the folks who are here often.

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Irrelevant post-edit: I don't think I'd go first for anybody on ECT anymore.
 
Sure., I posted the entire conversation below. I usually never send krono first unless I have dealt with someone for a while. Even with DK, most of the time he sent first. When you buy an item of any kind, normally the money is exchanged first...as you can see below, I was incredibly kind and professional....and then you can see how he reacted....I don't believe I should receive negative feedback for backing out of a deal due to not wanting to send krono first.

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i have bought atleast 100kr from dealt21 over the last two months i have always sent the money first and received the kr shortly after.... Never once have a had a problem with him...
 
akgrown79 said:
i have bought atleast 100kr from dealt21 over the last two months i have always sent the money first and received the kr shortly after.... Never once have a had a problem with him...
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Ya but that isn't really the issue here. He agreed to sell me 40 krono's then refused to complete the deal because he had to send first even though he approached me and my account is significantly older and has significantly higher feedback than him. He even says "I'm sure neither of us are going to scam the other" and yet still refuses. So if he doesn't think I'm going to scam him then what's the big deal with going first? I don't get it.

I'd be more than happy to remove the feedback once I see 40 krono in my account for the agreed upon price.
 
EcAnon said:
Ya but that isn't really the issue here. He agreed to sell me 40 krono's then refused to complete the deal because he had to send first even though he approached me and my account is significantly older and has significantly higher feedback than him. He even says "I'm sure neither of us are going to scam the other" and yet still refuses. So if he doesn't think I'm going to scam him then what's the big deal with going first? I don't get it.

I'd be more than happy to remove the feedback once I see 40 krono in my account for the agreed upon price.
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Get a middle man like Xuande or The Golden Company and I will do this. I am not sending first to you.
 
BigK said:
went to walmart.com and wanted to buy a item, you guys wouldn't believe this.. they wanted me to pay for it first...
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You can't seriously be this dumb right? He came to me dumbass. I didn't go to him. It's more like walking into Walmart and asking them if they want to buy some waffle irons from you and then insisting they give you money before they even get anything. In what universe is this happening? If I approached him aka walked into his store and asked for 40 krono's then of course I'd go first but that isn't what happened. No wonder so many idiots are voting yes for this clown. They don't even know wtf is going on or what they're even voting for.
 
EcAnon said:
You can't seriously be this dumb right? He came to me dumbass. I didn't go to him. It's more like walking into Walmart and asking them if they want to buy some waffle irons from you and then insisting they give you money before they even get anything. In what universe is this happening? If I approached him aka walked into his store and asked for 40 krono's then of course I'd go first but that isn't what happened. No wonder so many idiots are voting yes for this clown. They don't even know wtf is going on or what they're even voting for.
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Calm down littlefoot, the bottom line is.. you pay for a product before you get the product. ask anyone in the sales department!
 
Stop being a jerk. Your insults are small PP energy knock it off.
BigK said:
Calm down littlefoot, the bottom line is.. you pay for a product before you get the product. ask anyone in the sales department!
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I want you to walk into a jewelry store that's buying gold and tell them you've got some gold to sell them. I want you to see what they say when you ask for the money up front before you hand over the gold. Good luck with that, idiot.
 
EcAnon said:
I want you to walk into a jewelry store that's buying gold and tell them you've got some gold to sell them. I want you to see what they say when you ask for the money up front before you hand over the gold. Good luck with that, idiot
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that's a in person sale.. and is irrelevant, if you send money through PayPal and don't get the item you paid for, you can dispute and get your money back.. you cant dispute and get the Krono back.. also i don't know why you have made such a big deal of all of this when its nothing lost and no transaction was made.. like bro.. take your meds and go touch some grass..
 
BigK said:
that's a in person sale.. and is irrelevant, if you send money through PayPal and don't get the item you paid for, you can dispute and get your money back.. you cant dispute and get the Krono back.. also i don't know why you have made such a big deal of all of this when its nothing lost and no transaction was made.. like bro.. take your meds and go touch some grass..
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You literally just used Walmart as an example so wtf are you even talking about? He agreed to a deal and then insists I should trust him because he has 260 feedback but somehow he shouldn't trust me with 483 and a nearly 5 year older account. It's crazy that common sense needs to be explained to people.
 
EcAnon said:
You literally just used Walmart as an example so wtf are you even talking about? He agreed to a deal and then insists I should trust him because he has 260 feedback but somehow he shouldn't trust me with 483 and a nearly 5 year older account. It's crazy that common sense needs to be explained to people.
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i used Walmart.com.. that's a online website. but, meanwhile.. in the last 5 messages you have replied to.. you have been very hostile, unprofessional and use foul language... mind you i have never bought anything from you. you don't know me. how does that relate to a good review? my answer was uncertain until now.. as this guy has come off to me as unstable and unpredictable.
 
It sounds like you had the startings of a deal, price and quantity, and then disagreed about how it was to be delivered. I dont think that qualifies as having a full fledged deal worked out.

If I attempt to buy an item from someone and we agree on a price, only to find out it costs me xxx to ship it, I should still be able to back out, since the deal has not been "finalized"

The actual trading process (sending and receiving) is part of the deal. When Dealt approached me about buying a mass amount of krono, I told him before hand that I was not comfortable sending xxx at 1 time without receiving payment. We agreed to do 4 smaller transactions, this is where the deal was finalized in my eyes. If he would have said, "no, I only want to send 1 Paypal payment", I would have politely said "no thank you" and walked away. I wouldnt have thought our deal was finalized just because we agreed to price and quantity.
 
I'm going to be voting to remove, ideally for both traders. I don't feel it's the correct usage of negative feedback.

The only thing agreed upon regarding the deal was price, not who would be sending first. I think both of you should've just canceled the deal and moved on. Instead, we let it devolve into uncalled for ad hominem attacks and negative feedback for BOTH traders.

Come on guys.
 
BigK said:
i used Walmart.com.. that's a online website. but, meanwhile.. in the last 5 messages you have replied to.. you have been very hostile, unprofessional and use foul language... mind you i have never bought anything from you. you don't know me. how does that relate to a good review? my answer was uncertain until now.. as this guy has come off to me as unstable and unpredictable.
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I wonder how much money I would win if I were to bet that you were an alt account of Dealts.
 
Both Pory and blanco are entirely correct. You guys are great and I appreciate you!

If you had responded "i'd do 40 if that's cool, would you be comfortable going first?" then this would have played out differently.
This wasn't a blood oath and the terms of the deal changed, and one party was not okay with the new terms. He didn't mislead you.
This may have been a decent case for neutral feedback, at best. We've still never figured out how to use those appropriately. Voted to remove.

ECTunnel has its own set of norms and customs. One of them is that the higher feedback member usually goes second but that gets muddy when you've currently active and sitting above 200.

Anybody that has sold me Krono can tell you that my expectations are set clearly and pretty early on; regardless of who messages first.
But they can also vouch for how fast they receive payment after I have Krono in hand. There is no loan, no escrow, no waiting period, no IOU, no shenanigans.
I don't hold anybody to anything and hold no ill will towards when somebody backs out. Nobody is forced to accept my whims or meet my expectations.
This stopped me from getting scammed by other users (JuicyKR) and, sadly, other users on this site do be scammin'.


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EcAnon said:
I wonder how much money I would win if I were to bet that you were an alt account of Dealts.
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I don't think that they're alts, this is more like the Incognitoe thread where thelemur showed up to protect him.
It does look like Dealt sent out a message blast asking people that he's dealt with to come, vote on the thread, and comment.

Regardless of that (pretty glaringly obvious) fact, this situation got hostile with zero reason.
 
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