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Report Suspicious Incognitoe does not deliver on his agreements (2 Viewers)

Seems one was resolved already and was an understandable circumstance. 2 instances of something its hardly a pattern. He sells on Private servers mostly, from what I can tell, that play zero games with RMT. Leaving feedback feels dangerous on those servers. Quarm has very few sellers as is. I understand the gatekeeping mentality, really I do. But seems you all are to quick to bring out the torches and tar and feathers.

Dude... an "understandable circumstance" would've been the following.

Customer: Sends cash
Incog: Shit, I don't have the right amount of plat, here's your refund of $x to cover up the costs. I'll let ya know when I get more.

Or this:

Customer: Sends cash
Incog: Hey man, I don't have all the plat, can I offer you anything now, or would you like a refund?

Or this:

Customer: Sends cash
Incog: Hey man, I don't have all the plat...

Do you see where this is going? There's 100 combinations on what should have happened before winding up in the dispute forums. 72 hours when you feel like you're getting scammed is a lifetime. The dispute forums isn't for "Wahh, this seller was mean :(" The dispute forum is the oh shit button of RMT. Quit underplaying it because you found a supplier. Take the bias out, put yourself in the customers shoes, then tell me if you'd be totally fine with everything.

Also it's really weird to me you've had like zero activity on ECT since June and you're now showing up outta the blue to come defend someone who probably sold you less than $100 of plat... Conspiracy theory?!?!?!?!
 
Dude... an "understandable circumstance" would've been the following.

Customer: Sends cash
Incog: Shit, I don't have the right amount of plat, here's your refund of $x to cover up the costs. I'll let ya know when I get more.

Or this:

Customer: Sends cash
Incog: Hey man, I don't have all the plat, can I offer you anything now, or would you like a refund?

Or this:

Customer: Sends cash
Incog: Hey man, I don't have all the plat...

Do you see where this is going? There's 100 combinations on what should have happened before winding up in the dispute forums. 72 hours when you feel like you're getting scammed is a lifetime. The dispute forums isn't for "Wahh, this seller was mean :(" The dispute forum is the oh shit button of RMT. Quit underplaying it because you found a supplier. Take the bias out, put yourself in the customers shoes, then tell me if you'd be totally fine with everything.
Totally fine? No. But ultimately it was resolved. Bias? Certainly not. I was offering explanation for low rates of feedback that were logical. I just don't agree with you. I interacted with said individual quite a bit in our transaction and frankly he went out of his way. Was honest and straight forward every step of the way. So, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Just as I would anyone else. "shrug"
 
Ok, this is why traders are saying this is an ongoing problem which you said is "Hardly a pattern"

I was unfamiliar with this individual until he left a negative comment on my thread, accusing me of potentially being a GM who could get others banned. This seemed like an attempt to tarnish my reputation and elevate his own standing, likely because he lacks the reputation and feedback I’ve built as the top trader in this forum's market. In this competitive space, he doesn’t stand a chance against me, is just a fact. A simple conversation would have sufficed, I would have been happy to work with his needs out of respect, but instead, he chose to undermine my business through slander thus tossing his reputation out the window.

Instead of reprimanding him, as he went against policy and it was punishable, I simply deleted his comment and reached out to start a conversation with him to understand the issue he was facing.

This was the response I was met with.

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So I am greedy because my prices are lower.. I guess everyone on this forum is greedy than because my prices are the highest on this entire forum.
Oh wait, I charge more, doesn't that make me greedy? I'm confused, cheaper means greedy? Oh hell with it. You see, there is no sense.


Starting to notice a pattern? Or are you going to argue that three instances does not constitute a pattern? What about four? Shall I provide more evidence about this trader?

The issue here is that we have more information about this trader than you do. You've interacted with him twice in transactions that weren’t personal. Simply saying 'thank you' after a deal doesn’t outweigh his ongoing behavior. Constant, insensitive nagging, poor manners, and inappropriate language.

This is why I cautioned you about who you choose to represent. You might say, 'Well, he treated me well,' but you cannot dismiss the experiences of others by claiming, 'He treated me well, so everyone else must be wrong about him. It's just not practical.
 
I dealt with him. Everything went fine. He even cut me a bit of a deal. Two people complain and you all are taking a deuce on this guy? Willing to bet I can make a ton of correct assumptions about most of these posters. Also, I generally dont leave feedback because I play on Quarm now. Those server admins dont play around when it comes to RMT. But leaving this guy a feedback because well, F y'all.

I would love to hear the "assumptions" you can make about us. While I am happy he provided the service you paid for, he has a trash attitude when it comes to just about anything else.

From his first post on the site it has been a bunch of bs about how he is a "top trader" and has "sold for years" when it was a brand new account made that month. He has had to change his threads multiple times due to blatant false information. I, and it seems many others here, don't support that kind of behavior.
 
Established traders like Golden Company, Xuande, Blanco, and many others have been the targets of his attacks. Instead of investing the time to build a positive reputation, he resorts to slandering others in an attempt to compensate. Look at this thread title for example. Avoid Flashy Fake GM Sellers, oh brother.

The idea of a 'dog-piling' as you mentioned, is in my view, a flawed assumption. What’s actually happening is that the overwhelming majority of traders here are simply using common sense and coming to the same conclusion. It’s only you and him standing apart from the rest.

That was why I said caution.
 
@Diamond Krono Please dont make false accusations. As you can see my account here is older than yours. Clearly, he and I, are not the same person. I dont do the majority of my transactions on this site. Though in the last year or two, I have done more. I also, have no need for your social approval. Either you want my money or you dont. If you dont, fine , plenty of people in China who do. My feedback is all clean, I pay on time and make it easy as possible for the seller.
@blanco I have decided to ratchet things down in terms of temperature, but if you want me to ratchet back up, I mean, Im just filling our sales reports at the moment and its pretty boring and I could use the distraction. My guess is he is a young person, prob actually new to selling and doesnt handle the heat well when he made a mistake. Thats a learning expereince, I dont see it as a opportunity to dog pile someone.
 
Your account being older than mine doesn’t prove much, nor does it address the core concerns raised about your judgment. Longevity of an account doesn’t equate to credibility or integrity, especially if the activity during that time has been minimal or sporadic, as your account clearly shows.

If the majority of your transactions happen elsewhere, it’s reasonable for others here to be skeptical, given the limited feedback and interaction within this community, and the nature of your comments hard defending Incognitoe.

Claiming not to need 'social approval' feels hollow when your actions, threatening to escalate the situation and making veiled remarks about 'ratcheting up' the temperature suggest a need to assert dominance rather than foster trust. This doesn’t reflect the professionalism you claim to uphold, nor does it align with your stance.

Dismissing valid concerns as 'dog-piling' undermines the collective experiences shared by established traders here. These are people with years of positive transactions and solid reputations, something you acknowledge not having spent time building, and it shows in your words.

Instead of addressing the criticisms directly, you’ve deflected and threatened to escalate. That behavior doesn’t inspire confidence and further highlights why the feedback you’re now receiving is consistent across the board.
 
@Diamond Krono People tend to react irrationally when they feel threatened.
While it’s true that people can react irrationally when they feel threatened, it’s equally true that their actions in such moments often reveal their true character. Threats or pressure might explain someone's behavior but don’t excuse it, especially in a professional setting. If someone consistently responds poorly to perceived threats, it raises questions about their ability to handle challenges responsibly, and maintain trust in their dealings.
 
@Diamond Krono Please dont make false accusations. As you can see my account here is older than yours. Clearly, he and I, are not the same person. I dont do the majority of my transactions on this site. Though in the last year or two, I have done more. I also, have no need for your social approval. Either you want my money or you dont. If you dont, fine , plenty of people in China who do. My feedback is all clean, I pay on time and make it easy as possible for the seller.
@blanco I have decided to ratchet things down in terms of temperature, but if you want me to ratchet back up, I mean, Im just filling our sales reports at the moment and its pretty boring and I could use the distraction. My guess is he is a young person, prob actually new to selling and doesnt handle the heat well when he made a mistake. Thats a learning expereince, I dont see it as a opportunity to dog pile someone.

You pointing out that your account is older than Diamond's tells me everything I need to know.
 
@Diamond Krono Sorry, this will be my one and only emotional reaction to what you have said. LMAO. Now that thats done. Lets start at the top:

"Your account being older than mine doesn’t prove much, nor does it address the core concerns raised about your judgment. Longevity of an account doesn’t equate to credibility or integrity, especially if the activity during that time has been minimal or sporadic, as your account clearly shows." - I dont really have an opinion about your view of my judgement. I did what I thought was right and I wont apologize for it. But, if you exercise some critical reading skills, you can see my comment re: my account age was to address your absurd claim that the seller and I are the same person. Nothing more.

"If the majority of your transactions happen elsewhere, it’s reasonable for others here to be skeptical, given the limited feedback and interaction within this community, and the nature of your comments hard defending Incognitoe." -
No, it was not reasonable to me to assume I was someone I am not. I give people the benefit of the doubt as rule. Which is why we are here now still dragging this out. If you are as smart as you are trying to come across, it is clear just from my word use alone he and I are not the same person.

"Dismissing valid concerns as 'dog-piling' undermines the collective experiences shared by established traders here. These are people with years of positive transactions and solid reputations, something you acknowledge not having spent time building, and it shows in your words." -
Sorry person, its just not that deep to me. I am here to make transactions, not friends. I do a lot of business in real life with people I absolutely abhor. Because I want their money. Simple as. Some people I work with I love like family. I didnt dismiss anyone's concerns outright either. I just came in and saw they guy was getting absoloutley lambasted and, weather you feel that was justified or not, I dint think it was. So I did what I thought was right.

"Instead of addressing the criticisms directly, you’ve deflected and threatened to escalate. That behavior doesn’t inspire confidence and further highlights why the feedback you’re now receiving is consistent across the board."
oh., that's what this is? Feedback? Ok then, well as for threatening to ratchet things back up, that's not a threat, nor was it veiled. I am stating exactly what I will do if I find it warranted. Again, inspiring your confidence is not my objective. I feel as though this part is not landing with you. I dont care as much as you do. At this point, Im just enjoying myself. I was willing to let this lay where it ended yesterday. But now, nah. I will respond as long as you want to keep going.
 
I dunno man, I can dissect everything you just said, it doesn't require much thought, its just common sense. For instance, why can't two accounts be made at different dates? I dunno man.

I'm still waiting for an answer to my original question: how many times does this trader need to be reprimanded before you acknowledge that he’s at fault? 20 times? 30?
That is what was suspicious to me.

Where exactly do you draw the line? It almost feels like you're arguing for the sake of argument. While that can sometimes be engaging and even educational, there's no way to win this debate.

Even if you were more intellectually adept than me and every other trader on this forum, the actions and behavior of Incognito are so indefensible that they make your position virtually impossible to support.

It's harder to defend than the last peice of cake in the fridge. 🍰
 
@Diamond Krono Sorry, this will be my one and only emotional reaction to what you have said. LMAO. Now that thats done. Lets start at the top:

"Your account being older than mine doesn’t prove much, nor does it address the core concerns raised about your judgment. Longevity of an account doesn’t equate to credibility or integrity, especially if the activity during that time has been minimal or sporadic, as your account clearly shows." - I dont really have an opinion about your view of my judgement. I did what I thought was right and I wont apologize for it. But, if you exercise some critical reading skills, you can see my comment re: my account age was to address your absurd claim that the seller and I are the same person. Nothing more.

"If the majority of your transactions happen elsewhere, it’s reasonable for others here to be skeptical, given the limited feedback and interaction within this community, and the nature of your comments hard defending Incognitoe." -
No, it was not reasonable to me to assume I was someone I am not. I give people the benefit of the doubt as rule. Which is why we are here now still dragging this out. If you are as smart as you are trying to come across, it is clear just from my word use alone he and I are not the same person.

"Dismissing valid concerns as 'dog-piling' undermines the collective experiences shared by established traders here. These are people with years of positive transactions and solid reputations, something you acknowledge not having spent time building, and it shows in your words." -
Sorry person, its just not that deep to me. I am here to make transactions, not friends. I do a lot of business in real life with people I absolutely abhor. Because I want their money. Simple as. Some people I work with I love like family. I didnt dismiss anyone's concerns outright either. I just came in and saw they guy was getting absoloutley lambasted and, weather you feel that was justified or not, I dint think it was. So I did what I thought was right.

"Instead of addressing the criticisms directly, you’ve deflected and threatened to escalate. That behavior doesn’t inspire confidence and further highlights why the feedback you’re now receiving is consistent across the board."
oh., that's what this is? Feedback? Ok then, well as for threatening to ratchet things back up, that's not a threat, nor was it veiled. I am stating exactly what I will do if I find it warranted. Again, inspiring your confidence is not my objective. I feel as though this part is not landing with you. I dont care as much as you do. At this point, Im just enjoying myself. I was willing to let this lay where it ended yesterday. But now, nah. I will respond as long as you want to keep going.

Asking someone to "exercise some critical reading skills" while typing words like "absoloutley", the wrong form of "weather", and "dint" gave me quite a laugh. I can see you felt pretty silly too as you quickly spellchecked it all. I guess the red lines aren't too clear when you are typing with such emotion.

It feels like at this point it's less about defending someone from being "dogpiled" on and more about just being an asshat. Have fun with that.
 
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@Diamond Krono "Common Sense" you keep using that word but... I think there is a meme here..... You accused me of something with no evidence. In the real world, that's called libel and you would need to be getting lawyered up about now. But this is an anonymous forum. So meh. Ill just have to get litigious another time.

Well your original question kind of got lost in the sauce with so many other "worthwhile" things I needed to address, I didnt get to it. My bad. Now to answer it, I subscribe to the rule of three. It takes a few or more actions to establish a pattern of behavior. Its like, freshman level psychology here. For me, 2 is too few. We could get into some serious forensics here, but I don't see the point.

Also, I have made ZERO assertions that I believe I am smarter or more intellectually adept than anyone else here. I have an "Opinion" I never defended what the guy did either. Just that I thought the response was heavy handed and likely is why the I "think" again my opinion, that the seller acted irrationally in defense as his behavior here did not jive with my interactions with him. I also find, that to best acquit oneself on the internet, it advantageous to speak clearly as possible and use dry and unemotional language. I make no claims to be perfect at that either.

If you really want, I will privately share my socials with you if you really feel the need to keep making a fallacious accusation that I am someone I am not. It would be pretty darn clear how wrong you are and, it shouldn't have to go that deep. Like your assertion that is common sense really doesn't make much sense. There is to much head canon involved. Just because you can get people to agree with you, also doesnt make you right. Or wrong for that matter.

Also, still holding those supports up. I'm not anywhere near the point of feeling defeated and you, to our own point are just encouraging me at this juncture and I am content oblige. At least for another hour or two. I'm almost getting my back log caught up after AEP/OEP and then Ill be off to spend time with family, so responses before January 6 when we get back from vacation may be slow or sporadic. Not that you needed to know all that, just trying to help you avoid more unsubstantiated accusations.
 
Asking someone to "exercise some critical reading skills" while typing words like "absoloutley", the wrong form of "weather", and "dint" gave me quite a laugh. I can see you felt pretty silly too as you quickly spellchecked it all. I guess the red lines aren't too clear when you are typing with such emotion.

It feels like at this point it's less about defending someone from being "dogpiled" on and more about just being an asshat. Have fun with that.
I am typing on a phone. I'm not going to bother defending internet typos. Try harder. Your snark isn't landing.
 
@Xuande and @Birdman most of my posts have been at least a few minutes apart. If you want to play this game , do better. Those are some boomer level insults.

I mean no harm no foul I don't care, you can do business with whoever you choose. It's just easy off of this post to know who to do business with and who not to, But that's not the purpose of this post.

The purpose of this post is that Ingog dude was being a sleezball once again and should have more than a slap on the wrist for this issue. as this is the 2nd time within a short period of time.

As for you doing business with him, Glad you didnt get screwed over, congrats!
 
@Birdman Accusing someone of being on meth.... well, that's kind of causing harm... but ok, I will take your word for it. I am nothing if not consistent. I just don't agree and instead of any meeting of the minds the situation quickly devolved. If he plays a game of FAFO and does it again. Sure, I am on your side. I am just not going to take a steamer on the guy. I'll give you and example. When I was 22, I got over for speeding, I was clearly in the wrong but chose to give the officer lip. Then I turned around after getting my first ticket and merged back on the interstate without signaling, cop could have let it go, but pulled my ass right back over and cut me another ticket. Likely because I was being a petulant and entitled little brat. Then he followed me all the way back to base to make sure I didnt do it again. Then he pulled me over a third time at the gate. Gave me a very fatherly lecture, without treating me like a criminal and I have not had a ticket in the 19 years since. The cop was also my dad... so there's that. Sometimes people do dumb things and dont learn and sometimes they do. Based on my personal interaction with the guy, I think he will learn from it. This is why I give people the benefit of the doubt and try to let people stumble a bit before I throw them out with the bathwater.
 
@Birdman Accusing someone of being on meth.... well, that's kind of causing harm... but ok, I will take your word for it. I am nothing if not consistent. I just don't agree and instead of any meeting of the minds the situation quickly devolved. If he plays a game of FAFO and does it again. Sure, I am on your side. I am just not going to take a steamer on the guy. I'll give you and example. When I was 22, I got over for speeding, I was clearly in the wrong but chose to give the officer lip. Then I turned around after getting my first ticket and merged back on the interstate without signaling, cop could have let it go, but pulled my ass right back over and cut me another ticket. Likely because I was being a petulant and entitled little brat. Then he followed me all the way back to base to make sure I didnt do it again. Then he pulled me over a third time at the gate. Gave me a very fatherly lecture, without treating me like a criminal and I have not had a ticket in the 19 years since. The cop was also my dad... so there's that. Sometimes people do dumb things and dont learn and sometimes they do. Based on my personal interaction with the guy, I think he will learn from it. This is why I give people the benefit of the doubt and try to let people stumble a bit before I throw them out with the bathwater.
I didn't "accuse" you of being on meth. I just said your quad posting is Methed up. (I mean supposedly the whole thing went right over your head I guess) Someone else accused you of that. I could give a shit if you do meth, or drugs or harm yourself in RL. That isn't my problem.

You keep dragging on all this shit at this point. It's useless does nothing. You seem to keep veering off subject of the topic of what this post is for.
 
I didn't "accuse" you of being on meth. I just said your quad posting is Methed up. (I mean supposedly the whole thing went right over your head I guess) Someone else accused you of that. I could give a shit if you do meth, or drugs or harm yourself in RL. That isn't my problem.

You keep dragging on all this shit at this point. It's useless does nothing. You seem to keep veering off subject of the topic of what this post is for.
I let this stuff all go yesterday, thought everyone got it out of their systems but clearly not and you all are the ones who came back at me. So, deal with it. When I tried to be civil, that didn't work either so, here we are.

Its impossible to stay on topic when people keeping piling on more and more things to respond to. Though I think we got around to it a few posts ago. The vaunted original question that needed answering.

Also, not understanding your infantile lingo, that's more of a you problem than a me problem. As far as I am concerned you both accused me of being on meth. Full stop. That's how I read it and perception is well...

Weather you actually care about my supposed illicit drug use is irrelevant. But yea at this point, this is all pointless, I am just responding. Want it stop, quit poking me. Then Ill stop. But I wont be the "Bigger person" and stop first. I have no interest at this point.
 
stop being a jerk.
Ok, this is why traders are saying this is an ongoing problem which you said is "Hardly a pattern"

I was unfamiliar with this individual until he left a negative comment on my thread, accusing me of potentially being a GM who could get others banned. This seemed like an attempt to tarnish my reputation and elevate his own standing, likely because he lacks the reputation and feedback I’ve built as the top trader in this forum's market. In this competitive space, he doesn’t stand a chance against me, is just a fact. A simple conversation would have sufficed, I would have been happy to work with his needs out of respect, but instead, he chose to undermine my business through slander thus tossing his reputation out the window.

Instead of reprimanding him, as he went against policy and it was punishable, I simply deleted his comment and reached out to start a conversation with him to understand the issue he was facing.

This was the response I was met with.

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So I am greedy because my prices are lower.. I guess everyone on this forum is greedy than because my prices are the highest on this entire forum.
Oh wait, I charge more, doesn't that make me greedy? I'm confused, cheaper means greedy? Oh hell with it. You see, there is no sense.

Starting to notice a pattern? Or are you going to argue that three instances does not constitute a pattern? What about four? Shall I provide more evidence about this trader?

The issue here is that we have more information about this trader than you do. You've interacted with him twice in transactions that weren’t personal. Simply saying 'thank you' after a deal doesn’t outweigh his ongoing behavior. Constant, insensitive nagging, poor manners, and inappropriate language.

This is why I cautioned you about who you choose to represent. You might say, 'Well, he treated me well,' but you cannot dismiss the experiences of others by claiming, 'He treated me well, so everyone else must be wrong about him. It's just not practical.
I had never said that you were a GM, I simply posted the TRUTH on my page. GM's make false accounts on here to try catching people. As you can see I deliver to my customers, If anything this seems like a bunch of sellers jealous that I'm actually doing VERY well here. So keep your "opinions" to yourself. And continue to sit back and watch me make my customers happy.

But it's nice to see you all ass kissing in my DM's and then suddenly you wish to be an asshole here. It's okay, I know how the internet works and turns people into morons. You all have a good time trying to slander my name and sales. But everyone that buys from me.. They are happy. So Kiss my ass. and have a wonderful xmas! :)

@Xuande and @Birdman most of my posts have been at least a few minutes apart. If you want to play this game , do better. Those are some boomer level insults.
Xuande always got something to say.. Love how they go from accusing me of being a scammer. And then you on meth apparently. Any other conspiracy theories you dummies have?

I mean no harm no foul I don't care, you can do business with whoever you choose. It's just easy off of this post to know who to do business with and who not to, But that's not the purpose of this post.

The purpose of this post is that Ingog dude was being a sleezball once again and should have more than a slap on the wrist for this issue. as this is the 2nd time within a short period of time.

As for you doing business with him, Glad you didnt get screwed over, congrats!
I'm sorry there was a 2nd issue????

Can't believe ALL that feedback from people who are 0, -2, 8, 1 WOW cannot believe this guy is on a roll!

Votes to suspend or ban incog +1 here
Votes to ban Bractos, Diamond, Xuande, and anyone else who disagrees with me, +1 here
 
That's where I remember this name...

Glad you got your money back, but this dude accepting cash for stock he doesn't have on-hand is going to continuously be a problem.

And no, having "millions of plat worth of ITEMS" does not count as plat on-hand. I had a mount in WoW worth millions of gold; it took me almost 2.5 years to sell it to someone. That doesn't mean I have millions of gold "ready to sell."

That's like me selling a house to someone, writing over the deed, then saying, "Yeap, I have all the lumber and bricks right here, just need to put it together first."

This is the second time you've sold (a small amount) of plat you DON'T have. Quit doing

That's where I remember this name...

Glad you got your money back, but this dude accepting cash for stock he doesn't have on-hand is going to continuously be a problem.

And no, having "millions of plat worth of ITEMS" does not count as plat on-hand. I had a mount in WoW worth millions of gold; it took me almost 2.5 years to sell it to someone. That doesn't mean I have millions of gold "ready to sell."

That's like me selling a house to someone, writing over the deed, then saying, "Yeap, I have all the lumber and bricks right here, just need to put it together first."

This is the second time you've sold (a small amount) of plat you DON'T have. Quit doing that.
Hey buddy wanna buy some plat? Got 23k if you'd like <3
 
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