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Suspicious Morisato - Bought a Mage Account - Banned 10 Days Later. (1 Viewer)

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Username(s) of the accused
Morisato
When did the issue occur?
January 26, 2025
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Value of property in dispute
$250
Bought a Mage account from Morisato on January 16th. Tried to log in today (Jan 26th.) Account has been BANNED for cheating.

I have never used an third party software, other than Everquest Log Parser.

Morisato did not once disclose that he was an active MQ user. Unsure if the account had any suspensions, but from what I understand, you accumulate strikes to equal a permanent Ban?

Transaction was smooth, I am just out $250, for an account I have played for less than 4 hours.
 
I placed a negative feedback on his profile, but I am willing to remove to settle this up.

It's unfair to not disclose third party software usage, and sell an account.

You are just setting somebody up for complete failure.
 
This account as i told the Person In question had No Actions, when they purchased it i responded to all requests they immedietly tried to blame me for this but the account has been in their control and was not played for a month Prior. to its sale so i have No Knowledge of why or how it was banned . They claim Cheating, it could be the Ip relocation it could be a dozen things i do not Control this.
 
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morisato said:
This account as i told the Person In question had No Actions, when they purchased it i responded to all requests they immedietly tried to blame me for this but the account has been in their control and was not played for a month Prior. to its sale so i have No Knowledge of why or how it was banned . They claim Cheating, it could be the Ip relocation it could be a dozen things i do not Control this.
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You don't get a permanant ban for "Cheating" for IP relocation.

This isn't an argument, it's a transaction gone wrong, and you are unwilling to settle up.
 
The transaction went fine You got banned, I have NO idea what u did with the account for all I know you actively warped around a zone or used other bannable offenses. You can accuse me of whatever you like But it comes down to it, the account had no actions and No bans. ever until you did whatever u did. And Your just sore DPG caught you and trying to put it on me.
 
I mean, I actively play in a top raiding guild, where they are GM's that play in it as well. You are not going to turn this into a he said she said, you have a toon, that you power leveled, used as an MQ bot, and sold when you were done with it.
 
It's not about the $250, that's lunch money, it's about the fact that what happened is wrong, and you aren't willing to admit your fault on it. No one give's a fuck if you use MQ, just don't sell accounts that are compromised.
 
@Teichou - I see no Possible reconciliation this person has jumped to random conclusions and blames me for their own actions thanks for bringing this to my attention but there is Nothing i can do.

There is nothing beyond he said she said that can occur. unfortunetly it is what it is.
 
This thread will be REALLY awkward, when the rest of his account's that he sold are also hit with the same thing here very soon. =) Maybe then something will be done about it. This thread wasn't made in a plea to get my money back (although it would be nice to have what I bought!), this is a warning to anyone looking at anymore accounts from this guy. Scummy.
 
morisato said:
@Teichou - I see no Possible reconciliation this person has jumped to random conclusions and blames me for their own actions thanks for bringing this to my attention but there is Nothing i can do.

There is nothing beyond he said she said that can occur. unfortunetly it is what it is.
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It is what it is, is correct! You sold a compromised account!
 
Isn't morisato one of the moderators of RedGuides? If so, he would know that actions for cheating are usually delayed.
Most account sales threads don't disclose that third-party software has been used on the account. I normally assume that any account that I'd purchase has had it used.

Though I would personally be pissed if it got banned 10 days later and got a disinterested "too bad" with zero offer of splitting the loss (or other positive resolution) in response.
 
The only insider information I have on this is that I bought an account from Morisato months ago. Now it isn't with any bans at this time, that I know of at least. I will personally keep an eye on my Ranger just in case now. But I would say it probably would be great to let the user know the "other" risk ahead of time. But IDK. Just giving some personal experience in this case.

Not blaming anyone at this time for the Ranger is working fine now at least.
 
Xuande said:
Isn't morisato one of the moderators of RedGuides? If so, he would know that actions for cheating are usually delayed.
Most threads don't disclose that third-party software has been used on the account. I normally assume that any account that I'd purchase has had it used.

Though I would personally be pissed if it got banned 10 days later and got a disinterested "too bad" with zero offer of splitting the loss (or other positive resolution) in response.
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LMAO! Thanks man, Moderator of RedGuide's who doesn't use RedGuides!
 
That it had No Account actiosn and No Active mq use? Not sure why i would disclose that its a clean account with No active mq use on it? that - did i not provide every link answer every question in full prior to purchase? and even provide breakdowns of what was on each toon and such i believe i was as forthcoming as possible. Your on a site 100% affliated with redguides, Your Buying and selling accounts and if u specifically wanted to ensure Zero mq use ever perhaps that would be something u ask? i informed u it was my Original Launch account i had had since beta. Every detail was shared.
 
Just admit the fault man, it's really not that difficult.

I bought an account you used with MQ actively, and it got caught, and you sold it, and now it's banned!

I mean, really? Lol, who wouldn't be upset about that?
 
Also, your negative feedback is null on my account, and it will be removed, however yours is justifiable, congratulations, you just earned yourself a one way ticket to no one ever doing business with you again! Cheers!
 
I'd like to preface this by saying I'm sorry to hear about the unfortunate event for both traders.


Here's the deal. When you buy an account, you are accepting all risk, including but not limied to the account potentially being banned. The responsibility for this does not fall on the seller, one of many reasons is because it’s impossible to determine which party, buyer or seller, may have done something to put the account at risk.

For example, in one case, the seller used MQ (cheating software), and the buyer later received a delayed ban after purchasing the account. In another case, the buyer purchased an account, then used MQ or other cheating software themselves, got banned, and demanded a refund.

Since it’s impossible to pinpoint who is at fault for the ban, buyers should understand and accept the inherent risk when purchasing accounts.
Even if Daybreak claims the ban is due to cheating, they rarely, if ever, specify when the infractions occurred.

Without clear timestamps, determining who caused the issue is impossible. Buying accounts from other players is already against Daybreak's terms of service, so this creates an additional layer of risk, one the buyer accepts post transaction.

The cause of a ban can’t be definitively proven. For this reason, in my opinion, and with my experience, it’s a closed case.

Buyers must accept the risk when making these transactions.
 
hogdaddy said:
Also, your negative feedback is null on my account, and it will be removed, however yours is justifiable, congratulations, you just earned yourself a one way ticket to no one ever doing business with you again! Cheers!
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His feedback is currently justified based on the situation. If you want to request its removal, you'll need to purchase a trial here: https://ectunnel.com/community/ducat-shop/.

The only other way to have feedback deleted is through a mutual agreement in which both parties agree to have each others feedback removed.
 
Diamond Krono said:
I'd like to preface this by saying I'm sorry to hear about the unfortunate event for both traders.


Here's the deal. When you buy an account, you are accepting all risk, including but not limied to the account potentially being banned. The responsibility for this does not fall on the seller, one of many reasons is because it’s impossible to determine which party, buyer or seller, may have done something to put the account at risk.
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100% agree, I mean the shitty part is regardless of the ban or suspension I feel like AT THIS POINT IN EQ time you need to specify if you use MQ and or account has been suspended due to so many issues in this timeline of EQ.

One thing I do believe in is if XYZ sold and account and then ABC said it was banned not even 10 days later, As a seller you make it right. I bought an account from someone here a known seller for accounts on TLP. Account was suspended in 2 days. I messaged dude and he offered a refund / offered me any of his other accounts to swap with if I wanted to swap.

As a "moderator" for MQ you and everyone else knows if you use MQ on your PC anything you do isn't safe so that is kind of shitty to just say no MQ is used on account, because in theory it is "used" on the PC.

As knowing both the seller and the buyer (on a level outside of ECT) It's a catch 22. You risk yourself buying an acc from a site that people mainly find from Redguides which is known for MQ use.

Edited: As another thing it isn't necessarily a "rule" to disclose if you use MQ or if the account has been suspended, It's just a nice jester at this point. (I feel like it should be a question in when posting accounts but that isnt the case AT THIS MOMENT)
 
Birdman said:
100% agree, I mean the shitty part is regardless of the ban or suspension I feel like AT THIS POINT IN EQ time you need to specify if you use MQ and or account has been suspended due to so many issues in this timeline of EQ.

One thing I do believe in is if XYZ sold and account and then ABC said it was banned not even 10 days later, As a seller you make it right. I bought an account from someone here a known seller for accounts on TLP. Account was suspended in 2 days. I messaged dude and he offered a refund / offered me any of his other accounts to swap with if I wanted to swap.

As a "moderator" for MQ you and everyone else knows if you use MQ on your PC anything you do isn't safe so that is kind of shitty to just say no MQ is used on account, because in theory it is "used" on the PC.

As knowing both the seller and the buyer (on a level outside of ECT) It's a catch 22. You risk yourself buying an acc from a site that people mainly find from Redguides which is known for MQ use.

Edited: As another thing it isn't necessarily a "rule" to disclose if you use MQ or if the account has been suspended, It's just a nice jester at this point. (I feel like it should be a question in when posting accounts but that isnt the case AT THIS MOMENT)
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The only part I find potentially questionable is this: "One thing I do believe in is if XYZ sold and account and then ABC said it was banned not even 10 days later, As a seller you make it right."

There are countless reasons an account could be banned, even something as simple as changing ownership. I firmly believe that, under any circumstances, the seller should not be held responsible unless the buyer cannot access the account because it was already banned, as in he can't even get into the acount or something similar.

Anything that happens after the transaction is uncertain and in my opinion a gray area.
 
Diamond Krono said:
Anything that happens after the transaction is uncertain and in my opinion a gray area.
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Correct is a gray area, but as a good seller / good person, I mean if you know you openly are a cheater and use MQ. And are selling "hot" accounts. It's for sure a gray area.

As for @hogdaddy I can 100% vouch they do not use MQ and the crap part is they are going to be out the $$. I'm sure they can reverse the ban from a petition but it's a lot for something that shouldn't be like this.
 
hogdaddy said:
I mean why else would you sell a 6 man box team? Because they all had "Active Strikes" I should have known better.
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I have no dog in the fight or opinion on who is right or wrong. But I'm willing to offer that daybreak has within the last two years opted to bypass suspension and go straight to a ban on many occasions for undisclosed reasons. As others have mentioned the specifics of the "why" a ban/suspension occurred beyond "cheating" is never revealed. I only wanted to say it's entirely possible that no other actions had ever been levied against the account prior to the ban it received.

At this point I can only suggest you appeal the ban as it sounds like it's currently an option.
 
Normally for RMT purposes; once the buyer takes full ownership of and verifies the account / logs in successfully, the seller has completed their portion of the transaction. Even if the account gets banned the next day. It's an unfortunate part of account selling, but, there is always a risk of this.

I can also attest from being a (former) MQ2 user, that I have never received a warning, tell, AFK check, etc... just straight to a disconnected and perma-banned account. Some of those accounts had minimal usage of MQ2, some of those accounts had zero usage of MQ2 and were just banned by association. So there definitely isn't a "3 strikes you're out" type of policy in place.

The accounts I have left in my arsenal have been "cooling off" for probably well over a year now, so I'd assume they're safe to sell, however at this time, what's the point?

Because of the increase in rate of bans and ban-waves happening, I imagine this will unfortunately become a normal part of RMTing when it comes to account selling.
 
hogdaddy said:
You're an active user/moderator of RedGuides, do you really expect anyone to believe that you are not using MQ on any of your accounts?
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Assuming something you don't know for certain isn't a good look. Nobody can determine whether you or he used MQ, or if it was even used at all for reasons I state below.

Birdman said:
Correct is a gray area, but as a good seller / good person, I mean if you know you openly are a cheater and use MQ. And are selling "hot" accounts. It's for sure a gray area.

As for @hogdaddy I can 100% vouch they do not use MQ and the crap part is they are going to be out the $$. I'm sure they can reverse the ban from a petition but it's a lot for something that shouldn't be like this.
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Here's the problem:

We don't know who used MQ or not. It cannot be proven. We don't even know if MQ was used on the account period.

The reason I say this is Daybreak has often banned players for breaking the rules while providing vague or incorrect reasons for the ban.
This means that even if Daybreak claims a ban was due to cheating, it could potentially be for a variety of reasons, one of which might be the purchase of another player’s account, which is of course against their terms of service.

Regarding the assumption that the seller used MQ because they are a moderator on RedGuides, even if true, this does not negate the buyer's potential actions.
Even if we assume the seller used MQ, there is no way to determine if the buyer also used MQ, which could have been the cause of the ban.

You can see how this rabbit hole could go on forever. Ultimately, the seller cannot be held responsible for what happens to the account after the sale. It's just not reasonable.

The buyer assumes all risk upon purchasing an account. In my opinion, the only time this becomes the seller's issue is if the account is not as described (and this can be determined).
 
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Thanks for everyones opinions and view on the situation, this isn't a plea for my $250 back, it's more or less just a warning that a active RedGuides coder / MQ User, is selling many accounts on here.

There should be a section (Has this account ever been affiliated with RedGuides) Questionnaire when posting one for sale.

Cheers!
 
I'm hesitant to post about this issue, it's a pretty tough one.

Personally, I assume that any account sold here has had some sort of third-party programs used. These could include: MQ, SEQ, IonBC, Input Director, AHK, etc. None of these programs are flagged as "allowed" by Daybreak. If a trader specifies that an account is "clean", great. I would still assume it is not. Daybreak has also been going straight to permanent bans for some accounts with the reason of "cheating". This has mostly been seen on Silver (non all-access) accounts but not exclusively. There could have been NO prior suspensions on the account and you are not guaranteed a 7-day slap on the wrist anymore.

It's hard to put the blame on either party. The seller could have used "cheats" of some sort at any time prior to the sale and that could cause a suspension weeks or months later. The buyer could have used "cheats" at any time after the transfer and that could cause a suspension the next day, or in a few months. There is no real logic to the way Daybreak handles their suspensions and you will never get any information out of them.

From the perspective of a seller, I do agree that the risk is assumed by the buyer. With that said, I would probably try to work something out so that the my customer doesn't feel cheated. I'm not sure a full refund would be on the table but there is no way I would tell my buyer "tough luck" on a $250 deal. I also try to stay away from a situation where we both leave each other negative feedback, that's probably the worst possible outcome.

Hope you both come to a resolution. I am not sure what the "correct" answer is here.
 
The safe assumption is that any account for sale has been tainted. People can be dishonest so always be prepared and only proceed if you're okay with the potential outcome. ISBoxer, EQBot, MQ, ShowEQ, AHK, etc- they all are against the rules and people DO use them.
Any account purchased, any transaction completed, on ECTunnel bears a certain level of risk.

There's no grey area when it comes to Daybreak. RMT is just as bad as cheating, but I've seen people on this site pretend that they're virtuous for RMTing and not cheating.
Note that that is Daybreak's opinion. Mine or yours don't matter. It's all against the rules.

I do empathize that the ban happened relatively fast. It's a tough situation.

Blanco has the right of it and hit post before me, but just echoing what he said. <3
 
hogdaddy said:
Thanks for everyones opinions and view on the situation, this isn't a plea for my $250 back, it's more or less just a warning that a active RedGuides coder / MQ User, is selling many accounts on here.

There should be a section (Has this account ever been affiliated with RedGuides) Questionnaire when posting one for sale.

Cheers!
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I'm completely not a part of any of this - just know that i got more than 1 unsolicited pm/dm (because i don't care about drama or he-said/she-said bullshit) from guild mates of yours who also use ectunnel and redguides talking about "yeah dude acts like he doesn't know". or "yeah i've done stuff with him with my toons" - would that mean you're "affiliated"?
 
Sic said:
I'm completely not a part of any of this - just know that i got more than 1 unsolicited pm/dm (because i don't care about drama or he-said/she-said bullshit) from guild mates of yours who also use ectunnel and redguides talking about "yeah dude acts like he doesn't know". or "yeah i've done stuff with him with my toons" - would that mean you're "affiliated"?
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you definitely didn't get a pm from any of mine! none of my guildmates OR buddys use Red Guides. =) wrong guy!
 
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